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tnmcleod
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OI am amazed there are no comments on the atrocious performance by the safety crew during this incident on Saturday night.
A training opportunity for our folks?
Tom McLeod
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RCorby
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My thoughts exactly. Was she still belted in? Is that why they had to struggle
to get her out? Why didn't they cut her out? Maybe they did, but it didn't look
like it to me.
There was a fire hose leading off-camera which evidently wasn't working.
When the other EV drove up, the crew had to screw around with a couple of
front-mounted hoses. Why didn't anybody have a hand-held extinguisher?
Actually, I won't go so far as to say bad work by the ES crew because maybe
they had equipment failure. Would really like to know the details as a good
example of extreme situations. This would be a good clip to use in a
training class, along with an explanation of what happened.
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Fats
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I say no major failures. Just a few things that might have led to a quicker application of the tools that they had upon arrival to the scene. Perhaps a couple of priority issues with individuals going one way when they might have gone another.
The guy with the first portable (fire bottle), set it down to pull the pin (he's the guy at the nose of the car with the 'butt'). Any body here remember how to get the pin out with gloves on? He then moved to the left side of the car where the driver was being extracated (no opinion on style, because those guys are just as anxious as the people in the stands), he went for the part of the car that the driver was pushing herself up at. This didn't do much for the main part of the furnace, but the first place to hit is in and around the driver. I say 'in' and around, because if any of you are inside a cockpit with fire at your elbow, you should expect a blast of WATER bottle to make your suit even that much more resistent (and cool). Then aim goes to the closest lick of flame.
That may seem somewhat backwards, but might explain in part the difference between fire extinguishing, and suppression. At this point, I would be suppressing the fire to support the extraction of the driver. But I'm not going to do that with a 1.25" pressurized hose. Once the driver is cleared, then GAME ON! DEATH TO FIRE!
You bet they'll be looking at the tapes, and be doing some personal reflections on what they may have done differently, but until one has had to deal with a situation like that directly, for real, in your lap, right there in front of you.... what tool will you have in your hand?
I'm very happy that the driver was safe enough not to be seriously injured. Whatever their name might be at the time.
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RichardMiller
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News paper is reporting this morning that the fire suppression system in the first vehicle that pulled up, i.e. the hose that they were unreeling, failed to function.
Also, on those cars, the "collar" around the cockpit has to be removed to get the driver out. Or at least I think I heard that.
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Jakester
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If you want to see an extremely long thread about this subject, try www.trackforum.com.
The horse was truly beaten to death in several threads.
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